OCCK

Chapter 41: Polygraph Disclosures: Introduction

In the first letter I have received from Jessica Cooper is dated November 13, 2009 following the one and only meeting with the Oakland County Task Force on October 27, 2009. In this letter she states as follows:

“In addition, the publicizing of some information, such as that related to polygraphs is actually a crime.”

On November 13, 2009, I had no information that Ted Lamborgine, Christopher Busch or Vince Gunnels had been polygraphed. Therefore, I assumed that the quotation was related to the polygraph that Lawrence Wasser/Christopher Busch which was discussed in Chapter 21. It is my understanding that Wasser never commenced the Busch polygraph. I did not understand why any reference to their conversation was a crime under the polygraph statute. If any prosecutor or criminal lawyer reviewing this chapter has legal authority to the contrary, I would appreciate having this brought to my attention.

Imagine my surprise when I received the Michigan State Police reports on December 15, 2010. The report contained newspaper articles which L Brooks Patterson, then the Oakland County Prosecutor, was quoted as saying that Chris Busch was not a suspect in the Mark Stebbins murder because he had passed a polygraph test. The MSP reports also indicated that Oakland County Chief Assistant Prosecutor, Richard Thompson, was present at Busch’s polygraph presumably to determine if Gregory Greene and/or Busch were involved in the murder of Mark Stebbins, the first victim.

On November 13, 2009 was Cooper warning me that any reference to the Wasser/ Busch polygraph, which was never taken, was a crime while the statute provides some exemption to prosecutors? Am I entitled to an explanation from Jessica Cooper why her office is entitled to publicize polygraph information while I or any other victim is not?

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  1. Mike

    Born in 1971…. I grew up in Birmingham, Beverly Hills, and Bloomfield Hills including (West Bloomfield)… and watched for years, decades … how things are in those areas. I remember when the entrance to the Birmingham Public Baldwin Library was on the NE corner before the renovation. My stomping grounds were downtown Birmingham in the early 70’s, Metamora & Nottingham Forest subs in Beverly Hills, Berkshire Middle School, Seaholm, Cranbrook Summer Camp, friends out in Wabeek West Bloomfield, Cherring Cross, as well as others living behind Cranbrook around Vaughn Rd. I have historic-ties to the OCCK killer’s area who was likely Busch etc, who lived on the NW corner of Morningview & Overhill behind the Lahser & Maple plaza. I was raised to be assertive which is why… I want (Barry & family) to start offering money to those in the know of this situation to start spilling the facts. I am sick of this not getting resolved and want someone to take extreme methods (paying people off), to get to the bottom of this. Someone needs to get with Gunnels & Lambougine and properly “motivate” them to speak using the Phoenix Program methods used by the U.S. Gov. during Vietnam to get relevant information. Someone might want to get with a lawyer to have both of them interviewed under the influence of a hypnotic. For Tim’s sake & legacy, it is the only right thing to do. What’s right is right

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  2. Mike

    Additionally, I used to go with my mom the Fisher Meats Meat Market, in Birmingham as a kid which was on the corner of Weber & S. Worth, which is now called the “Institute of Strength”… which further validates my credibility to Barry & friends who are from the area…. which was also within Busch’s hunting ground and only a few hundred yards from where Tim was grabbed, which was just north of Fisher Meats… up behind the now defunct Albans Restaurant and the water tower … both behind the ice cream shop

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  3. Mike

    United States: “Phoenix Program” during Vietnam:

    Set acceptable precedent by the U.S. to obtain information from suspects: Wikipedia url: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program.

    1) “Methods used at the interrogation centers include:
    Rape, gang rape, rape using eels, snakes, or hard objects, and rape followed by murder; electric shock (‘the Bell Telephone Hour’) rendered by attaching wires to the genitals or other sensitive parts of the body, like the tongue; the ‘water treatment’; the ‘airplane’ in which the prisoner’s arms were tied behind the back, and the rope looped over a hook on the ceiling, suspending the prisoner in midair, after which he or she was beaten; beatings with rubber hoses and whips; the use of police dogs to maul prisoners.[17]
    Military intelligence officer K. Milton Osborne reports that he witnessed the following:
    The use of the insertion of the 6-inch dowel into the canal of one of my detainee’s ears, and the tapping through the brain until dead. The starvation to death (in a cage), of a Vietnamese woman who was suspected of being part of the local political education cadre in one of the local villages … The use of electronic gear such as sealed telephones attached to … both the women’s and men’s genitals [to] shock them into submission.[18]”

    2) “Strategic Effect:
    Between 1968 and 1972, Phoenix “neutralized” 81,740 people suspected of NLF membership, of whom 26,369 were killed. A significant number of NLF were killed, and between 1969 and 1971 the program was quite successful in destroying NLF infrastructure in many important areas. Vietnamese officials have made statements about the effectiveness of Phoenix.[11] According to William Colby, “in the years since 1975, I have heard several references to North and South Vietnamese communists who state that, in their mind, the toughest period that they faced from 1960 to 1975 was the period from 1968 to ’72 when the Phoenix Program was at work.”[26]”.

    The U.S. government has the ability to get information when it really wants to…. Gunnels and Lambougine need to speak up…

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  4. Mike

    U.S. officials should use the legal system to have occk suspects re-classified as urban terrorists, to they can use the U.S. legal system to apply the same methods using in Guantonemo, Iraq and Afghanistan they have been using for years as evidenced by history, through use of CIA and similar “contractors” to get relevant information. Recently within the last few years, prosecutors in Detroit, according to the news for example, have started to charge criminals with “torture” to affect stiffer penalties. An example of this was about two years ago when Jourdan Bobbish and his friend Jacob Kudla were executed in that field near Detroit City airport by those two low-life scum-bags. The news indicated that Kim Worthy, had this done, here is story: http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2014/04/detroit_and_jackson_man_charge.html. Maybe Lamborguine past crimes could be re-classified as this and Gunnels opening the door for U.S. authorities to use CIA information gathering methods they have been using for years, which must be legal if the U.S. government has been doing it. Maybe the FBI can take over the case and ship them to Romania like Bush did with 9/11 suspects, in order to interview suspected terrorists in private, so-to-speak.

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  5. Mike

    Additional Detroit case recently I recalled specifically like the two kids mentioned above executed in their underwear in an abandoned Detroit field…. where Kim Worthy used… “Torture” in a conviction of the two girls killed… I remembered this story also, and wanted to post it to jog memories of readers as to what (can be done creatively) by prosecutors, when they really want to convict someone, like these added low-life-killers…. Abreeya Brown & Ashley Conway were executed, and the killers convicted using “torture” as should be done with Lambourgine and Gunnels to result in the FBI using the previously mentioned effective methods of obtaining information from suspects. URL: http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2012/04/five_detroit_men_charged_in_mu.html. Maybe Lambougine and Gunnel’s asses are going to be in a ringer if they don’t speak up soon, before someone in law enforcement decides to reconsider the cases and make the occk case a mission in life to further their own career…..

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  6. Mike

    Hopefully Lambourgine has internet access in prison and reads this blog. I would bet that Gunnels follows is.
    I’ve read a few times Gunnels makes a point of saying he was a “victim” of Busch.
    Personally, I really don’t care if Gunnels was molested by Busch.
    The point is… what happened to Tim & the others and who did what.
    I hope Gunnels and Lamborgine read this and understand what they hoped was “swept under the rug decades ago”, has totally attention today.

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  7. Mike

    Just read Tim’s sister’s blog on recent post about Green’s sibling alleging Green built a secret room in his dad’s house to hide a kid at: 5510 Baldwin, Flint, MI. Has anyone stopped by to inspect this house with current owners? Might be worth a try.
    House looks small, too small to have a hidden room, but still might be worth physically checking out.
    Sloan can also be included in the previous posts pertaining to having law enforcement re-cassify those suspects as urban terrorists. i.e. (Lambourgine, Gunnels, Sloan).
    Unfortunately , that sick bastard Green cheated the hangman by vapor-locking / having a heart attack in jail while watching t.v. apparently.
    Someone needs to look into that rich bastard… Sheldon, previously discussed from Groose Pointe who owned North Fox Island who fled to the Netherlands or Amsterdam. Someone needs to track his ass down to confirm if he is alive or dead. He is a huge key piece to this whole thing.

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  8. Mike

    If your worried about being charged with and prosecuted of committing a crime while referring to a polygraph of some people that probably killed your son…. you need re-think your strategy.
    If L. Brooks came to you and said he was going to charge you with a crime looking into the death of Tim…. I would tell him to go F. himself, for no other reason than it appears per the news, that he gets free rides home from police when drunk driving which by comparison is “fair and reasonable” to conclude a jury trial would side with you any day to bring Tim justice one of may URL’s recalling L. Brooks averted DUI due to his position: https://www.michigandaily.com/content/double-pleasure-double-standard.
    If it was my son, I would put getting info. on my son’s death a priority above absurdly vailed threats of nonsense consequences by those trying to protect themselves.

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